Stora Primörvinstråden , diskussioner om primörviner.

Diskussion i 'Vin' startad av Jimmy Forsman, 13 mars 2008.

  1. Hoke

    Hoke Medlem

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Aven den japanska valutan ar svag mot Euron nu. Sa som sagt ska det bli intressant vad som hender nu. Men det roliga e att Negocianterna ber slotten att pressa priserna, som i sin tur ber Negocianterna att pressa priserna.. Ingen vill ta ansvar och bada ventar pa att den andre ska agera forst.
     
  2. magnum

    magnum Epernay, Frankrike

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Kolla på farrvintners.com dom brukar ha en bra Primeur sida
     
  3. Hoke

    Hoke Medlem

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Titeln ändrad och flera trådar om samma ämne sammanfogade. Här kan vi diskutera primörviner. - admin


    Fick detta i min inkorg nyligen. Och det kan ju vara intressant for den som foljer Mr Parker och handlar darefter.

    2005 Bahans Haut Brion 89
    2005 Beausejour Becot 94
    2005 Brane Cantenac 94
    2005 Calon Segur 92
    2005 Canon la Gaffeliere 94
    2005 Cantemerle 90
    2005 Carruades de Lafite 89
    2005 Cheval Blanc 96
    2005 Clos Fourtet 98
    2005 Cos d'Estournel 98
    2005 La Dominique 90
    2005 Le Dome 90
    2005 Ducru Beaucaillou 97
    2005 Duhart Milon 94
    2005 L'Evangile 95
    2005 Ferrand Lartigue 90
    2005 De Fieuzal 90
    2005 Fleur Cardinale 95
    2005 Giscours 91
    2005 Grand Puy Lacoste 95
    2005 Gruaud Larose 89
    2005 Haut Batailley 89
    2005 Hosanna 95
    2005 D'Issan 95
    2005 Kirwan 92
    2005 Lafite 96
    2005 Lafon Rochet 90
    2005 Langoa Barton 90
    2005 Lascombes 95
    2005 Latour 96
    2005 Latour a Pomerol 90
    2005 Leoville Barton 94
    2005 Leoville Lascases 98
    2005 Leoville Poyferre 93
    2005 Lynch Bages 91
    2005 Margaux 98
    2005 La Mission Haut Brion 97
    2005 Monbousquet 95
    2005 Montrose 95
    2005 Mouton Rothschild 96
    2005 Pape Clement Rouge 98
    2005 Pavie Macquin 98
    2005 Pavillon Rouge de Ch Margaux 91
    2005 Pichon Baron 94
    2005 Pichon Comtesse 86
    2005 Le Pin 93
    2005 Pontet Canet 96
    2005 Prieure Lichine 92
    2005 Quinault l'Enclos 94
    2005 Rauzan Gassies 92
    2005 Rauzan Segla 94
    2005 Rol Valentin 93
    2005 Smith Haut Lafitte 95
    2005 Talbot 90
    2005 Valandraud 95
    2005 Vieux Ch Certan 95
     
  4. anders

    anders Medlem

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Min första tanke är att det är relativt medelmåttiga betyg om man betänker hysterin kring priset. I synnerhet på de stora.
     
  5. Hoke

    Hoke Medlem

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Haller med, och motseger WS en hel del som har 7 el 8 100 poengare..
     
  6. Konjären

    Konjären Medlem

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Intressant! Och att en del 1cru som Lafite och Latour presterar "måttliga" 96 poäng måste väl betecknas som smått sensationellt; en poäng de f ö delar med t ex Pontet-Canet; ett vin som det släpps 600 fl av i SB:s primör 2005-rally, till ett pris av 723:-/fl; ca 16-17 ggr billigare än sina mer namnkunniga kusiner.
     
  7. Jimmy Forsman

    Jimmy Forsman Missförstått geni. Gravt blygsam. Despot. Administratör

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Snodde lite från hans (Der Advokaat!) hemsida:

    Red Wine 2005 Domaine de l'A 91 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Acappella Montagne St Emilion (87-88)
    Red Wine 2005 D'Aiguilhe Querre 91 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Chateau d'Aiguilhe 92 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Marquis d'Alesme Becker (84-86)
    Red Wine 2005 Alter Ego 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Ampelia 88 Young
    Red Wine 2005 L'Ancien (84-86)
    Red Wine 2005 Les Angelots de Gracia St Emilion (91-93) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Les Angelots de Gracia St Emilion 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Angelus 98 Young
    Red Wine 2005 D'Angludet 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Anthonic (84-86) Early
    White Wine 2005 D'Arche 88
    White Wine 2005 Aile d'Argent Blanc 91 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Aria (88-90)
    Red Wine 2005 D'Armailhac 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Arnauld (85-86) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Les Aromes de Pavie St Emilion 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 L'Arrosee 93 Young
    Red Wine 2005 D'Arsac 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Les Asteries 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Les Asteries St Emilion (90-92) Early
    Red Wine 2005 L'Aubroisie (84-86)
    Red Wine 2005 D'Aurilhac (88-89) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Ausone 100 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Bad Boy 88 Mature
    Red Wine 2005 Bahans-Haut-Brion 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Balthus (92-94) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Balthus 93 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Barde-Haut 93 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Barrabaque (88-90) Young
    White Wine 2005 Bastor-Lamontagne 88
    Red Wine 2005 Batailley 91 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Beau Site (85-87) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Beau-Sejour-Becot 94 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Beaulieu Comtes de Tastes 89 Early
    White Wine 2005 Beaulieu Comtes de Tastes Blanc 89
    Red Wine 2005 Beaumont (87-88) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Beauregard (89-91) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Beausejour (Duffau Lagarrosse) 91 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Beausejour 1901 (87-89)
    Red Wine 2005 Bel Air (87-88)
    Red Wine 2005 Bel Air Grande Cuvee (87-88)
    Red Wine 2005 Bel-Air la Royere 87 Mature
    Red Wine 2005 Bel-Orme-Tronquoy-de-Lalande (84-86) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Belair 87 Young
    Red Wine 2005 De Belcier (86-88)
    Red Wine 2005 Belgrave 89 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Belle Vue 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Bellefont Belcier 94 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Bellegrave 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Bellevue 94 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Bellevue de Tayac Margaux (88-90) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Bellevue Mondotte 99 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Bellisle-Mondotte (89-91) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Belloy (85-86)
    Red Wine 2005 Berliquet (88-90) Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Bernadotte (85-87) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Bertineau-St-Vincent 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Beychevelle 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 La Bienfaisance 92 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Blason de l'Evangile 86 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Bois Chantant (85-87)
    Red Wine 2005 Bois Pertuis (88-89)
    Red Wine 2005 Bolaire Bordeaux Superieur 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Bon Pasteur 94 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Bonalgue (88-89) Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Bonnelle (86-88)
    Red Wine 2005 Chateau Bonnet Cuvee Divinus 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Chateau Bonnet Reserve 87 Mature
    Red Wine 2005 Bord'Eaux 87 Mature
    Red Wine 2005 Le Boscq (88-90) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Bourgneuf-Vayron 84 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Bouscat Cuvee Gargon 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Bouscat Les Portes de l'Ame 92 Early
    White Wine 2005 Bouscaut Blanc 87 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Boyd-Cantenac 92 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Branaire-Ducru 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Branda 87 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Brane-Cantenac 94 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Branon 96 Young
    Red Wine 2005 La Bridane (85-86) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Brillette (87-89) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Brisson (87-89) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Brondeau 87 Mature
    Red Wine 2005 Brown (88-90)
    Red Wine 2005 Cadet Bon 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Cadet Piola (88-90) Early
    White Wine 2005 Caillou 90
    Red Wine 2005 Calon Segur 92 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Cambon la Pelouse 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Camensac (87-88) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Canon (90-93) Young
    Red Wine 2005 Canon de Brem (88-90)
    Red Wine 2005 Canon la Gaffeliere 94 Young
    White Wine 2005 Cantegril 88
    White Wine 2005 Cantelys Blanc 92 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Cantemerle 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Cantenac Brown 87 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Cap de Faugeres 89
    Red Wine 2005 Carbonnieux 91 Young
    White Wine 2005 Carbonnieux Blanc 93 Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Cardonne (85-87) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Carignan (85-86)
    Red Wine 2005 Carignan Prima (86-88)
    Red Wine 2005 De Carles Haut Carles (89-91) Young
    Red Wine 2005 Les Carmes Haut Brion 92 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Caronne Ste Gemme (88-90) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Carpe Diem Mi Fili (87-89) Young
    Red Wine 2005 Le Carre St Emilion (91-93)
    Red Wine 2005 Carruades de Lafite 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Cassagne-Haut-Canon-la-Truffiere (84-85)
    Red Wine 2005 Certan de May 92 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Certan Marzelle 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Chadenne (85-87)
    Red Wine 2005 De Chambrun (88-90) Early
    White Wine 2005 Chantegrive Blanc Cuvee Caroline (85-87)
    Red Wine 2005 Chapelle d'Ausone 94 Young
    Red Wine 2005 La Chapelle de la Mission Haut Brion 91 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Charmail 90 Early
    White Wine 2005 Les Charmes-Godard Blanc 87
    Red Wine 2005 Chasse-Spleen 88 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Chauvin (90-92) Young
    Red Wine 2005 Le Chene Somptueux Cuvee d'Exception (87-88) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Le Chene Somptueux Cuvee d'Exception Medoc (91-93) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Cheval Blanc 96 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Domaine de Chevalier 92 Young
    White Wine 2005 Domaine de Chevalier Blanc 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Citran (85-87) Early
    White Wine 2005 Clarendelle 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clarke (90-92) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clauzet (81-83) Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Clemence 92 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Le Clementin Pape-Clement Pessac Leognan 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clerc Milon 92 Young
    White Wine 2005 Climens 97
    Red Wine 2005 Clinet 92 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Clos Badon 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clos Chaumont 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clos de l'Oratoire 93 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clos de la Vieille Eglise (87-89)
    Red Wine 2005 Clos de Sarpe 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Clos des Jacobins 91 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clos du Clocher 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clos du Jaugueyron (87-89) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clos du Jaugueyron (89-91) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clos du Marquis 91 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Clos Dubreuil 92 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clos Floridene (87-89)
    White Wine 2005 Clos Floridene Blanc (88-91) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clos Fourtet 98 Early
    White Wine 2005 Clos Haut Peyraguey 88
    Red Wine 2005 Clos l'Eglise 96 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clos l'Eglise Cotes de Castillon 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clos la Madeleine 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clos les Lunelles 94 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clos Louie (91-93) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clos Manou 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Clos Margalaine 89 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Clos Marsalette 92 Early
    White Wine 2005 Clos Nardian 91 Early
    White Wine 2005 Clos Nardian Blanc (90-92)
    Red Wine 2005 Clos Puy Arnaud 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clos Rene 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Clos St Julien 94 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Clos St Martin 98 Young
    Red Wine 2005 La Clotte 93 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Compassant (Thunevin) (88-90)
    Red Wine 2005 La Confession (94-96) Young
    Red Wine 2005 Confiance Cuvee d'Exception (Gerard Depardieu) Premieres Cotes de Blaye (88-91) Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Conseillante 96 Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Conseiller 91 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Corbin 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Cordet (80-84)
    Red Wine 2005 Cos d'Estournel 98 Young
    White Wine 2005 Cos d'Estournel Blanc 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Cos Labory 89 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Cote de Baleau 87 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Cote Montpezat Cuvee Compostelle (85-86) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Coufran (88-90) Early
    White Wine 2005 Couhins-Lurton Blanc 92 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Couhins-Lurton Pessac Leognan 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Cour d'Argent (85-87)
    Red Wine 2005 Domaine de Courteillac 87 Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Couspaude (90-92) Early
    White Wine 2005 Coutet 92
    Red Wine 2005 Le Crock (87-89) Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Croix de Beaucaillou 91 Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Croix de Gay (88-90) Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Croix de l'Esperance Cuvee d'Exception (89-91) Young
    Red Wine 2005 Croix de Labrie 94 Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Croix de Perenne Cuvee d'Exception Premieres Cotes de Blaye (88-90) Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Croix de Perenne 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Croix de Peyrolie Cuvee d'Exception (Gerard Depardieu) 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 La Croix de Peyrolie Cuvee d'Exception (Gerard Depardieu) Lussac St Emilion (90-92) Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Croix de Roche (88-90)
    Red Wine 2005 Croix Esperance 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Croix Mouton Bordeaux Superieur 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Croix St Georges 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 La Croix (85-86)
    Red Wine 2005 Croizet Bages 86 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Cru Monplaisir (87-88) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Les Cruzelles (89-91)
    Red Wine 2005 Dalem 89
    Red Wine 2005 La Dame de Montrose 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Dassault 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Daugay 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Dauphine 90
    Red Wine 2005 Dauzac 91 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Gerard Depardieu Confiance 91 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Gerard Depardieu Ma Verite (89-91) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Destieux 93 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Deyrem Valentin (84-86) Early
    White Wine 2005 Doisy Daene 91
    White Wine 2005 Doisy Daene L'Extravagant 96
    White Wine 2005 Doisy-Vedrines 88
    Red Wine 2005 Le Domaine des Songes (87-89)
    White Wine 2005 Le Domaine des Songes 85 Mature
    Red Wine 2005 Le Dome 96 Young
    Red Wine 2005 La Dominique 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Le Doyenne 88 Mature
    Red Wine 2005 Dubois Grimon (87-89)
    Red Wine 2005 Dubraud (85-87)
    Red Wine 2005 Ducluzeau (84-86) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Ducru Beaucaillou 97 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Duhart-Milon-Rothschild 94 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Dutruch Grand Poujeaux (83-85) Early
    Red Wine 2005 L'Eglise Clinet 100 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Domaine de l'Eglise 92 Early
    Red Wine 2005 L Egregore (87-90)
    Red Wine 2005 L'Enclos 85 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Epicurea de Chateau Martinat 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 D'Escurac 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 L'Essence de Vignoble Dourthe (89-91)
    Red Wine 2005 L'Estang (86-88)
    Red Wine 2005 L'Evangile 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Excellence de Bois Pertuis (88-90) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Excellence de Bois Pertuis Cuvee d Excepton (90-92) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Faizeau Vieilles Vignes 90 Early
    White Wine 2005 Chateau de Fargues (93-95)
    Red Wine 2005 Faugeres 91
    Red Wine 2005 Feret-Lambert 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Ferran (87-88)
    White Wine 2005 Chateau de Ferrand Blanc (87-88)
    Red Wine 2005 Ferrand-Lartigue 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Feytit Clinet 93 Young
    Red Wine 2005 De Fieuzal 90 Young
    White Wine 2005 De Fieuzal Blanc 92 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Figeac 90 Early
    White Wine 2005 Filhot 90
    Red Wine 2005 Fleur Cardinale 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 La Fleur d'Arthus 88 Early
    White Wine 2005 La Fleur D-Or 87
    Red Wine 2005 Fleur de Barbeyron St Emilion (90-92) Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Fleur de Bouard 89
    Red Wine 2005 La Fleur de Bouard Le Plus (93-95)
    Red Wine 2005 La Fleur de Gay 92 Young
    Red Wine 2005 La Fleur de Jaugue 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Fleur Morange Mathilde 93 Young
    Red Wine 2005 La Fleur Morange Mathilde St Emilion (91-93) Young
    Red Wine 2005 La Fleur Morange 96 Young
    Red Wine 2005 La Fleur Petrus 93 Young
    Red Wine 2005 La Fleur Peyrabon (83-85) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Fleur St Antoine 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Fleur 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Fombrauge 90 Young
    White Wine 2005 Fombrauge Blanc 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Fonbadet (86-88) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Fonbel (90-92) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Fonbel 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Fonplegade 92 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Fonreaud (84-86) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Fonroque 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Fontenil 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Les Forts de Latour 92 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Fougas Maldoror 87 Early
    White Wine 2005 Fougeres la Folie Blanc 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Fougeres la Folie Graves 90 Early
    White Wine 2005 Fougeres la Raison Blanc 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Fougeres la Raison Graves (87-88) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Fourcas-Dupre (85-87) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Fourcas-Hosten (84-86) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Franc Maillet Cuvee Jean Baptiste 91 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Franc Maillet Tete de Cuvee (88-90) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Franc-Mayne 91 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Fussignac 87 Mature
    Red Wine 2005 Gaby (85-86)
    Red Wine 2005 La Gaffeliere 96 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Roland la Garde (86-87)
    Red Wine 2005 Garraud (86-88)
    Red Wine 2005 Le Gay 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Gazin 94 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Gazin-Rocquencourd (87-89)
    Red Wine 2005 Chateau Gigault Cuvee Viva 89 Mature
    Red Wine 2005 Girolate (90-92) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Gironville Haut Medoc 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Giscours 91 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Chateau du Glana (85-87) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Gloria 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Gomerie 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Goulee 89 Early
    White Wine 2005 Goulee Blanc Blanc 86
    Red Wine 2005 Gracia 96 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Grand Maison (87-88)
    Red Wine 2005 Grand Paris 84
    Red Wine 2005 Grand-Corbin-Despagne 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Grand-Destieu 91 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Grand-Mayne 93 Early
     
  8. Jimmy Forsman

    Jimmy Forsman Missförstått geni. Gravt blygsam. Despot. Administratör

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Red Wine 2005 Grand-Moueys 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Grand-Ormeau 91 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Grand-Ormeau Cuvee Madeleine 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Grand-Pontet 93 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Grand-Puy-Ducasse 91 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Grand-Puy-Lacoste 95 Young
    White Wine 2005 La Grande Clotte Blanc 91 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Grandes-Murailles 91 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Chateau les Grands Chenes 91 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Les Grands Marechaux 90 Mature
    Red Wine 2005 La Grave a Pomerol 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Grave Aubert (87-89)
    Red Wine 2005 La Graviere 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Les Gravieres (91-93) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Les Gravieres 91 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Gree-Laroque 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Greysac (86-88) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Gruaud Larose 89 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Jean du Gue (88-91)
    Red Wine 2005 Guerry (88-90)
    Red Wine 2005 Guibot la Fourvieille (87-88)
    Red Wine 2005 Guionne Cuv Renaissance (88-90)
    White Wine 2005 Guiraud 91
    Red Wine 2005 Hanteillan (84-86) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Haura (86-88)
    Red Wine 2005 Haut Bages Liberal 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Haut Bailly 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Haut Batailley 89 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Haut Bergey 92 Young
    White Wine 2005 Haut Bergey Blanc 91
    Red Wine 2005 Chateau Haut Bertinerie (86-88)
    White Wine 2005 Chateau Haut Bertinerie Blanc 89
    Red Wine 2005 Haut Brion 98 Young
    White Wine 2005 Haut Brion Blanc 95
    Red Wine 2005 Haut Brisson La Reserve 92 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Haut Carles 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Haut Condissas Prestige (89-91) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Haut Corbin 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Haut Gravet 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Haut Marbuzet 85 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Haut Nadeau (87-89)
    Red Wine 2005 Haut Sociando (87-88)
    Red Wine 2005 Haut-Ballet (85-87)
    Red Wine 2005 Haut-Beausejour (81-83) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Haut-Canteloup 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Haut-Colombier (87-89)
    Red Wine 2005 Haut-Condissas 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Haut-Mazeris 89 Early
    White Wine 2005 Haut-Mouleyre 87 Mature
    Red Wine 2005 Haut-Mouleyre (87-89)
    Red Wine 2005 La Haye (85-86) Early
    Red Wine 2005 L'Hermitage 92 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Hortevie 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Hosanna 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 L'Hospital (86-88)
    Red Wine 2005 Chateau Hostens Picant Cuvee d'Exception (87-88)
    Red Wine 2005 Chateau Hostens Picant Cuvee des Demoiselles (86-88)
    Red Wine 2005 D'Issan 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Jaugue Blanc (86-88)
    Red Wine 2005 Joanin Becot 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Jonqueyres Cuvee Dorothea (86-88)
    Red Wine 2005 Kirwan 92 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Labegorce (87-88) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Labegorce-Zede (87-89) Early
    White Wine 2005 Lafaurie-Peyraguey 92
    Red Wine 2005 Lafite-Rothschild 96 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Lafleur 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Lafleur Gazin 85 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Lafon Rochet 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Laforge 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Lagrange 91 Young
    Red Wine 2005 La Lagune 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Lalande Borie 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Lamarque (85-87) Early
    White Wine 2005 Lamothe-Guignard 88
    Red Wine 2005 Lanessan 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Langoa Barton 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Larcis-Ducasse 98 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Larmande 87 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Laroze 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Larrivaux (87-89)
    Red Wine 2005 Larrivet Haut Brion 90 Early
    White Wine 2005 Larrivet Haut Brion Blanc 90
    Red Wine 2005 Lascombes 95 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Lassegue St Emilion (90-92) Young
    Red Wine 2005 Latour 96 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Latour a Pomerol 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Laubes (88-89)
    Red Wine 2005 Des Laurets 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Laussac (88-90)
    Red Wine 2005 La Lauzette-Declercq (83-85) Early
    White Wine 2005 Laville-Haut-Brion Blanc 94
    Red Wine 2005 Leoville-Barton 94 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Leoville-Las Cases 98 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Leoville-Poyferre 93 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Les Tours Seguy 87 Mature
    Red Wine 2005 Lestage (84-86) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Lestage-Simon (87-89) Early
    White Wine 2005 Liot 89
    Red Wine 2005 Liversan (84-86) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Loudenne (86-88) Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Louviere 87 Early
    White Wine 2005 La Louviere Blanc 89 Early
    White Wine 2005 Luchey-Halde 92 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Luchey-Halde Pessac Leognan (88-90) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Lucia 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Pierre de Lune 95 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Lusseau 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Lynch Bages 91 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Lynch Moussas 88 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Lynsolence 91 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Ma Verite Cuvee d'Exception (Gerard Depardieu) 92 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Ma Verite de Gerard Depardieu 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Magdelaine 90 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Magrez Fombrauge 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Magrez-Tivoli 92 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Magrez-Tivoli Cuvee d'Exception (90-93) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Malartic-Lagraviere (91-93) Young
    White Wine 2005 Malartic-Lagraviere Blanc 92
    Red Wine 2005 Malescot-St-Exupery 97 Young
    White Wine 2005 Chateau de Malle 89
    Red Wine 2005 De Malleret (85-87) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Marbuzet (88-90) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Chateau Margaux 98 Young
    White Wine 2005 Pavillon Blanc du Chateau Margaux 93
    White Wine 2005 Pavillon Blanc du Chateau Margaux 94
    White Wine 2005 Pavillon Blanc du Chateau Margaux (92-94)
    Red Wine 2005 Pavillon Rouge du Chateau Margaux 91 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Marjosse (85-87)
    Red Wine 2005 Marojallia 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Marquis-de-Terme 88 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Marsau 87 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Martinat (87-88)
    Red Wine 2005 Maucaillou (87-88) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Maucamps (84-86) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Mayne Lalande (85-87) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Mazeyres (84-86)
    Red Wine 2005 Mejean Graves 91
    Red Wine 2005 Messile-Aubert Montagne St Emilion 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Meyney 86 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Mille Roses 87 Early
    Red Wine 2005 La Mission Haut Brion 97 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Monbousquet 95 Young
    White Wine 2005 Monbousquet Blanc 92 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Mondorion (84-86)
    Red Wine 2005 La Mondotte 99 Young
    White Wine 2005 Mont-Perat Mont Perat 88 Mature
    Red Wine 2005 Mont-Perat Mont Perat (85-87)
    Red Wine 2005 Montrose 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Montviel 87 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Moulin de la Rose (88-90) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Moulin St Georges (91-93) Young
    Red Wine 2005 Le Moulin 91 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Moulin-Haut-Laroque 92 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Moulin-Pey-Labrie (90-92)
    Red Wine 2005 Moulin-Rouge 87 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Mouton-Rothschild 96 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Mylord (87-88)
    White Wine 2005 Myrat 92
    White Wine 2005 Nairac 93
    Red Wine 2005 Nenin 90 Young
    White Wine 2005 No 1 de Valandraud Blanc 87 Mature
    Red Wine 2005 Chateau Olivier (86-88) Early
    White Wine 2005 Chateau Olivier Blanc 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Les Ormes de Pez 86 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Les Ormes Sorbet Medoc Cru Bourgeois (87-88) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Les Pagodes de Cos 90 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Palmer 97 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Paloumey (80-84) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Pape Clement 98 Young
    White Wine 2005 Pape Clement Blanc 96 Early
    White Wine 2005 Partarrieu 90
    Red Wine 2005 Patache d'Aux 87 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Pauillac 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Pavie 98 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Pavie-Decesse 96 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Pavie-Macquin 98 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Peby Faugeres 95 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Pedesclaux 82 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Pelan 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Penin-les Cailloux (86-87)
    Red Wine 2005 Perenne (89-90)
    White Wine 2005 Perenne 88 Mature
    Red Wine 2005 Perron-la Fleur 87 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Petit Bocq (88-90) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Le Petit Cheval 89 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Petit Gravet St Emilion 89 Young
    Red Wine 2005 Le Petit Mouton 88 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Petit Village 87 Early
    Red Wine 2005 Petit-Gravet-Aine (89-91) Early
    Red Wine 2005 Petrus 96 Young

    Fortfarande en del en primeurpoäng kvar, men ändå.
     
  9. Mysonoxen

    Mysonoxen Medlem

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Dar dog ALLT fortroende for den mannen!

    Provade just en dros 2005 och de ar battre an de av honom haussade 2000.

    R.I.P fat lawyer!
     
  10. Jimmy Forsman

    Jimmy Forsman Missförstått geni. Gravt blygsam. Despot. Administratör

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Svalde gjorde du också!
     
  11. Mysonoxen

    Mysonoxen Medlem

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Yepp; jag befinner mig faktiskt fortfarande i Alsace ar pa stationen i Strasborg nu.

    Provade de 5 stora 2005 igar med en dros goda alsaceviner.

    Imorgon blir det middag pa Haut-Brion, taget till Bordeaux gar 14.20
     
  12. anders

    anders Medlem

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Det som definitivt ska bli intressant är att se hur "marknaden" ska tolka och reagera på det här. Tidigare har man ju slaviskt följt Parker i prissättningen men jag undrar om de är så intresserade av att sänka priserna nu när han inte alls levererar in de poäng och därmed priser som "investerarna" hoppats på. Antingen så får man erkänna att prissättningen är åt helvete och sänka eller också får man idiotförklara Parker och i fortsättningen hävda poängen från Winespectator. Noterade i något nyhetsbrev från FRW att de försöker släta över det hela genom att trycka på vissa citat i Parkers generella uttalande om årgången som till exempel:

    Kommer också bli intressant att se om Parker böjer sig för marknadskrafterna och puttar på lite högre betyg bara för att behålla sin "cred".

    Jag har för mig att du Larsson (du får rätta mig om jag minns fel) någonstans har gjort något uttalande i stil med att 2005 är bättre än 2004 men inte så jäkla mycket bättre.
     
  13. Håkan

    Håkan Medlem

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Jag tycker det är modigt av Parker att presentera de recensioner han gör, han tar en risk i att marknaden skall marginalisera honom. Samtidigt, om Parker försvinner, vem skall de då luta sig mot. Egentligen är det väl bara de ouppnåliga vinerna som inte levererar poängmässigt, kolla exempelvis Pontet Canet, Gaffeliere, Duhart Milon etc... så höga poäng har dessa slott aldrig fått. Årgången styrs av alla vinerna, jag är glad att jag trots allt inhandlade lite primörer.
     
  14. anders

    anders Medlem

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Jag måste hålla med där. Det tyder ändå på en rätt hög integritet att sticka ut nacken på det viset. Det är ju också trevligt att se att de slott som ändå ligger inom "rimlig" prissättning leverera på samma nivå som giganterna, precis som Konjären pekade på innan.
    Frågan är om det nu är så att teknikutvecklingen och kunskapen i gård och källare har nått så långt att det i stor grad jämnar ut för lägesskillnaden och att det därmed i fortsättningen inte blir samma tjurrusing i de namnkunnigaste slotten. Troligen blir det kanske snarare som med Dompan att eftersom vissa märken är så kända så kan dessa fortsätta ta ut ett pris som ligger betydligt över andra viner av motsvarande kvalitet. Men ett "superår" som 2005 är väl inte ett år då man ska kolla "lägesutjämning", det får vänta till ett svagare år.
     
  15. Mysonoxen

    Mysonoxen Medlem

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Kan noteras i sammanhanget att samtliga av de vinpersoner jag pratat med här i Bordeaux under veckan har 2005 före 2000 i sina noteringar.
    Pa Haut-Brion ifragasatte man starkt Parkers omdöme.

    (Dessutom hälsade Turid Alcaras pa Haut-Brion givetvis till LARSSON som hon hade nagon provning med innan han blev världsm¨stare, sa jag framför detta här. Han har tumme med kvinnsen, Larsson :D)
     
  16. Hoke

    Hoke Medlem

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    And the story goes on... Detta e fran Decanter.com
    Decanter's first tasting of the newly-bottled 2005 Medocs produced a record-breaking 25 awards - only two of them First Growths.

    Of the 25 five-star awards only Margaux and Mouton-Rothschild represent the very top rank. Haut-Brion (Pessac-Leognan) was not tasted.

    Other winners in the five-star category spanned the 1855 classification, including Calon Segur (3rd growth), Duhart-Milon (4th) and Haut-Bages-Liberal (5th).
    Chateaux Latour and Lafite-Rothschild were awarded 4- and 3-stars (Highly Recommended and Recommended) respectively.

    All wines were tasted blind, by a panel including consultant editor Steven Spurrier, the Wine Society's Sebastian Payne MW, Stephen Browett of Farr Vintners, Richard Bampfield MW, Hugo Rose MW and other elite tasters.

    Fifth growth Chateau Pedesclaux gets five stars, as do such eminent properties as Brane-Cantenac, Pichon Longueville and Rauzan-Segla.

    Following a leak of the tasting results, Pedesclaux has been the subject of fevered speculation on both internet message boards and merchants' order lists. The wine was one of three (along with Mouton and Pichon) to garner an automatic 5-star award (averaging a score of over 18.5/20 from all tasters) without the need for re-tasting.

    There is almost £1000 difference in the price tags between the top ranking wines. Pedesclaux is retailing for £20-30 per bottle, for example – while Chateau Margaux weighs in at up to £903.

    When the wines were revealed the panel expressed amazement that so many lowly 4th and 5th growths could have trumped their more illustrious counterparts.

    The main reason, Payne said, was the overall excellence of the vintage, with beautifully balanced wines at every level. 'It really is exceptional – and very exciting.'

    As well as this, the panel stressed that the wines develop at a different rate. Browett said, 'If you're honest, Forts de Latour, when it is young, is better than Latour. Wines that have an early drinking date show better than wines that are there for the long term.'

    Decanter editor Guy Woodward added: 'We always knew this was an exceptional vintage, but the top wines are priced beyond the means of most of us. With over a dozen 5-star wines available at under £40 a bottle, there are actually some stunning bargains for savvy wine lovers.'
     
  17. anders

    anders Medlem

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    När jag nyss var inne på FRW noterade jag länken

    2005 The Greatest Bordeaux Vintage?

    Jag vet inte om det har stått så tidigare, jag kan ha missat det, men jag tycker ändå att det är lite talande. Det verkar som att osäkerheten sprider sig på marknaden...
     
  18. Jimmy Forsman

    Jimmy Forsman Missförstått geni. Gravt blygsam. Despot. Administratör

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Jag tror inte att vi ska haka upp oss för mycket på detta med parkers poäng, han skrev ju i inledningstexten, innan han presenterade poängen, så här:

    Han har helt enkelt varit lite återhållen när han satt poängen, sent ska syndaren vakna! Men han öppnar ju också för att revidera i framtiden. ;D
     
  19. Jimmy Forsman

    Jimmy Forsman Missförstått geni. Gravt blygsam. Despot. Administratör

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    men det är ju väldigt intressant att se den hysteri som sprider sig runt om i vinvärlden efter detta. hehe.
     
  20. anders

    anders Medlem

    SV: Bordeaux en Primeur 2006

    Jag tror förvisso att folk läser texten men det är ändå det absoluta betyget som gäller för "investerarna". Nu står ett antal firmor och andra med flaskor från supernamnen som helt plötsligt inte alls ligger på en ekonomiska nivå som man spekulerat i. Och än värre är ju att de mindre slotten får skithöga betyg också vilket innebär att vi med mer begränsad ekonomi (min WaterAirificator (TM)) har inte börjat ge avkastning än) kommer ju att köpa de billigare prylarna och vara glada och nöjda med det. Så vem fasen ska köpa 1er Cru till de fantasipriser som har slantats upp i första ledet?
     

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